I love having conversations like this.
Also, any and all comments are welcome (I won't get hurt at anything negative you may say about my reasonings/beliefs, I'm so used to other people's negativity and etc so no hard feelings to any of you, specially since you're friends first)
Allen Sarkisyan not braincells, just time. enjoy having an unproductive hobby that will never benefit you in the future. readingbooks master race ^_^
Adrian Alvarado no. false. its something that if you have a passion for can make you a happier person in general, something to strive for. something to even brag about. my shit guitar, my standard Squier makes me happy. because its something i love to do, and well in my opinion, thats good enough
Markham Scott What good is a future that produces no bit of satisfaction for you?
Allen Sarkisyan Playing a guitar for the hell of it is the same as spending hours with video games. No practical benefits unless you give yourself a bullshit benefit like "herp derp eye coordination" or whatever the musical equivalent is
Adrian Alvarado i honestly couldnt give less of a fuck about my "bullshit" benifet...i just enjoy something. if you enjoy video games woopdy motherfuckin do. have fun. ill have fun with my guitar. what do you do in free time?
Allen Sarkisyan good to see you admitting that you have a bullshit hobby. I am satisfied with my sadistic side for the day.
Adrian Alvarado no im saying about the "bullshit" benifet. which is the "herp derp hand eye coordination"...which is actually an extremely useful talent. its just something i enjoy? i dont give a rats ass if you dont, but its not necessary to try to discourage people from something they enjoy.
Markham Scott You honestly can't find any way to make a life happy and worthwhile for yourself can you allen?
Allen Sarkisyan My butt aches every time I make a website, my asshole bleeds every time I finish a book, my asscheeks quiver at the sign of a finished CAD model, my anal beeds just can't quite handle all of this progress so I guess, at least for my anus, l...ife isn't happy or worthwhile. As for me, I like the idea of not wasting a shitton of time on fruitless ventures. Some people on the other hand can't give 2 fucks about how they spend their time and will waste it as much as they like on whatever they want to waste it on: for you it would be playing shitty instruments like the other hipsters in bands you've never heard of and will never hear of.
Enjoy your extremely useful benefit of tossing a ball straight.
Adrian Alvarado Do you enjoy doing those things? by the way im taking ALL honors classes, and im skipping years in math and science...so dont say i waste all my time, because i actually get shit done.
Markham Scott Tsk tsk tsk, you have my pity allen =/
Adrian Alvarado your anus has mine...it sounds like something horrid in there
Allen Sarkisyan Yeah, reading is fun. Yeah getting $$$ through web coding is fun. Yeah building robots is fun.
You don't get what I mean Adrian, honors classes and productive and useful stuff like that isn't wasting time.
Playing the guitar is as useless as playing video games. That's basically what I'm shooting for. Scott is butthurt
Markham Scott I'm butthurt? how so? I'm just reflecting your lonely, self-centered bitterness
Adrian Alvarado yea well i understand im just saying, guitar is a hobby, its something i do on my free time. just something to pass time. i happen to love music. i get my important shit done, then i enjoy excess time
Allen Sarkisyan @scott, A person concerned about not wasting their time? ZOMG INFIDEL! SELF CENTERED BEAST! KILL IT WITH FIRE D:
Markham Scott What truly is a waste of time? Just because someone enjoys using their spare time in different ways that do no harm to others whatsoever doesn't make it valueless. King David of ancient times spent his spare time writing and playing melodies to Jehovah and others. Was that truly a waste of time?
Markham Scott Since you are such an avid reader, perhaps you'd enjoy reading some of these melodies in the bible in the book of psalms =D.
Allen Sarkisyan wasting time: unproductive hobbies and activities that don't benefit anyone in any useful manner.
that pretty much shoots into musical instruments, gaming, all forms of entertainment (unless you sell your music/games/hand-made dildos to some hipsters for profiting in which case you benefit yourself), and a ton of other stuff
Allen Sarkisyan and no I don't waste my time with religion
Markham Scott why is religion a time waster?
Allen Sarkisyan I'm an atheist, do the math
Markham Scott There's math behind Atheism? I assumed it was just sheer rejection/denial. Anyway, my time is far from wasted and my life couldn't have been any more benefited from being brought up in a christian lifestyle as a Jehovah's Witness. Would you care for me to explain?
Markham Scott Oh come now, don't walk away from this conversation just yet.
Adrian Alvarado so...have you ever found a girl attractive?
Allen Sarkisyan I've been wondering for a while now and I just can't decide. Who's more fun to troll on a sidewalk? A scientologist or a jehovah's witness? I have a jehovah's friend and she's batshit crazy so I can see why I thoroughly enjoy arguing with you.
Allen Sarkisyan But then again why go to the sidewalk when you guys just walk up to my doorstep anyway?
Adrian Alvarado oh then you were wasting your time wondering about this, because it doesnt benefit you in any use manner
Markham Scott You avoided my question =D. And hey, who wouldn't want to share good news of the hope of everlasting hope of a new paradise earth?
Markham Scott Again I ask, would you like to hear the benefits my life has had as a born and raised Jehovah's Witness?
Allen Sarkisyan I'm wondering, where do you think the Earth is in relation to the Sun?
Allen Sarkisyan No, would you like to hear the benefits of not being coerced by churches and religion? Not being told HURR SINNNNNN and not being told "GOD DID IT" for everything that cannot be answered scientifically? (even though it may be answered later in the future)
Adrian Alvarado Well...you know...i may seem like an ass...but you are going to be totally fucked by any christian who sees this. im a christian, but i do happen to respect others belief.
Markham Scott Coerced? Christianity doesn't force it's beliefs on you. You can always choose what to believe and what not. To me, everything created with specific design and purpose and a devil that's bent on bending people away from the truth of god sounds right to me. And you know what? The christian personality i've acquired through my upbringing has made me to be a decent (if not examplary) person of society
Allen Sarkisyan You live in America and have your freedom to do whatever you please regarding your religion. I'm glad you respect other people's beliefs, now respect that I don't respect yours
Markham Scott I'm patient, kind, long suffering, slow to anger. I don't curse profusely or in the sense of humour. I'm respectful, and only have the desire to give other people the hope of a better future to hang onto in this perilous world we now live in today.
Allen Sarkisyan Christianity doesn't force beliefs? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Allen Sarkisyan I'll just sit here waiting to burn in hell then
Markham Scott Here's a fun fact: There is no hell
Markham Scott Isn't that a bright prospect? to not dread the possibility of eternal suffering?
Adrian Alvarado well...i dont know how to put this...you sir, are an ass. So enclosed in your own world you refuse to even respect others?
Allen Sarkisyan OOOH how delightful, it's almost as an atheist I didn't know that already! Here's another fun fact: God is a bullshit idea. Substitute a unicorn and midgets for God and his disciples and the story is still believable to you isn't it?
Adrian, respect is something given, not a right by birth.
Markham Scott And if you feel like reading, here's a scripture in the bible to disprove the theory of hellfire. Ecclesiastes 9:5- "For the living are conscious tha they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all..."
Adrian Alvarado but you disrespect others? is that given by birth?
Markham Scott Let me ask you a question, if you think it's ridiculous to believe in god who created the earth, isn't it also ridiculous to believe that a unprecidented explosion in space of nothingness created a universe that was once just black vaccum, ...and that dust particles miraclously stopped their trajectories in space where there were no previous suns or other sources of gravity and heat and then a grouping of dust just happened to stop and form into a spherical shape in the exact perfection postion to create a likewise unprecidented ecosystem that was devoid of life that turned out to be the world, the solar system, and universe as we know it today?
Allen Sarkisyan I think someone saying "let there be light" and magically create photons from nothing is ridiculous. Can it not be a flying spaghetti monster instead? Have you noticed that there have been a decline in pirates and near perfect correlation b...etween that and the rise of global warming? Can we just put one and one together and say that the death of a pirate makes the earth a warmer place? No, just putting two ideas that SEEM to work without any hard connections between them is ridiculous. What science says is that because of gravity , EM, and a few other forces that exist in the universe, dust particles can accumulate into a nebula and then a sun because gravity crushes the matter harder and closer until the atoms end up crushing each other so hard that you have atoms joining together and releasing the excess energy as radiation (sunlight)
Allen Sarkisyan oh look, a god didn't need to make a star, so a universe can do that on it's own huh? SWEET. now take that idea further into the creation of water, simple cellular life forms, and go forward a billion years of smashing particles together and you'll eventually find one form of life that is called a HUMAN BEING.
Allen Sarkisyan and all without "let there be assholes on earth" and there were assholes on earth
Allen Sarkisyan ugh.. internet debates. fuck this i'm off to do something productive
Markham Scott There are 'assholes' on earth because they've been disillusioned by a devil that's had countless years in the works of tricking mankind and angels alike. Also, without precidence, how can something just *pop* to life where there are no conditions to support it? (let alone spontaneous creation without creators...)
Markham Scott And well, I hope this conversation has left you with something to think about =]. And productive at this time of hour that doesn't include sleep? I hope your stress isn't giving you isomnia
Allen Sarkisyan I want to hate you so much Scott because I disagree with everything you say but I can never pass up good/persistent arguing buddies. +friend
Markham Scott Sure, perhaps in future conversations I could I enlighten you more on how to have hopeful prospects on a future that you can make yours as well.
) I also find it somewhat irrational to have something as your goal in life something that will happen after you die. All of my personal goals in life are things that could physically be achievable. Own a video production studio. Go into space at least once. Live for a year in another country besides America. See places. Amass a certain quantity of material wealth. Employ people. Help Drive the market. 
No homo tho.